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Jul 13 / Ozymandias

Follow up: The Day After Comcast’s Data Cap Policy Killed my Internet [Updated]

[Thanks for visiting! There are five key posts to read around the Broadband ISP Data Cap issue. I’d suggest you read the first, the second, a wrap-up with tough questions for ISPs, an update with a complaint to the Attorney General, and then press coverage in that order. You are currently reading the second post. In addition, I highly recommend you read my responses (published by VentureBeat) to the evasive responses we received to my tough questions to ISPs. I believe they highlight inconsistencies and deliberate attempts at obfuscation, and may prove useful to press and officials interested in advancing the conversation.]

[Edit: Fixed the year Comcast put their bandwidth cap in place from 1998 to 2008. Brainfart on my part!]

My post yesterday generated some news articles and a great deal of feedback. I wanted to take a moment to address some of that feedback, especially to clarify areas of confusion or address common themes I saw.

Before I do so, I’d like to thank a few people:

Kotaku, Gizmodo, and other Gawker sites for reposting (with permission) my original blog post on this subject.

Ryan Singel of Wired for taking the time to interview me and write this article on the same.

The following sites who have since picked up on my post (to be expanded):

And everyone who has commented, “Liked”, emailed me directly, or forwarded this post to friends… thank you for your support!

Now onward.

Why didn’t you/don’t you use Comcast Business service? They don’t have data caps!

I didn’t use Comcast Business service in the past because it was significantly more expensive, and I didn’t believe I needed their advertised features. I used a standard $60/month 15 Mb down/3 Mb up plan for 9+ years without the slightest issue. Only in the last several months as I began to use cloud-based services such as Carbonite’s online backup and Amazon’s unlimited cloud music storage did I have a problem.

Looking forward, I’ll first say that I’d be hesitant to use Comcast for anything ever again for obvious reasons. However, the marketplace really isn’t competitive in Seattle for what I define as highspeed (>10 Mbps) broadband – Comcast is the only real gig in town. So I decided to look into what a Business plan would cost me if I were to choose that option.

Comcast Business has four plans:

  • Deluxe 100/50 – 100 Mb down/50 Mb up for $395 a month
  • Deluxe 50/10 – 50 Mb down/10 Mb up for $195 a month
  • Premium 22/5 – 22 Mb down/5 Mb up for $105 a month
  • Starter 12/2 – 12 Mb down/2 Mb up for $65 a month

The only plan that’s even close to my $60/month 15 Mb up consumer plan is the Starter 12/2 plan for $65 a month. So at first blush I’d be paying slightly more for slightly less speed, but no data caps.

But wait – it’s “new service” with “specialized hardware”, so they can’t just turn on the plan. Instead I have to choose from a plan commitment tier. If I commit for the shortest period of time (one year), my install/setup fee is $199. If I go and commit to three years with Comcast Business, they’ll reduce that fee down to $49.

All right – so let’s discuss what the hardware is. The sales rep suggested that no matter what tier I really want I start with the Deluxe 100/50 plan so I get the “higher-end hardware” – which I can keep even if I call and downgrade to a different tier the day after the install. That set my spideysense off, and so I pushed a little bit on what exactly this “higher-end” hardware is. Turns out it’s a DOCSIS 3.0 modem. Ok… but I already own my own modem, a Motorola SURFboard eXtreme Broadband Cable Modem-SB6120, and I don’t want to lease another.

Sorry, that’s not an option. You cannot self-install, and cannot use anything but the Comcast supplied endpoints. Now I’ll grant there might be good reasons around manageability and the higher quality of service Comcast is promising to use their hardware. But I’m pretty darn sure that if I were to swap out their modem with mine and somehow able to activate it on the network it would work perfectly. (And in fact, a Broadband Reports forum poster claims that “Some have been able to beg/negotiate using a standard cable modem with a dynamic IP Business Class service, but that is a rare exception to the rule.”)

Now, let’s say all this hasn’t put me off from coming on board, and I want to sign up for the Starter plan and pay more for less service, all to remove an arbitrary data cap. Can I?

Nope! Turns out that once Comcast has cut your broadband account for violating their data cap policy you are verboten from being a Comcast customer for 1 year. That’s right:

After being cut off from Comcast’s consumer internet plan due to using too much data, I’m told I’m ineligible to use Comcast’s recommended solution, their business internet plan that allows the unlimited use of data — solely because I made the mistake of actually using “too much” data in the first place.

As the sales rep said in my Google Voicemail message, “what’s interesting is that if you would have started off on the business side of the house, since we don’t have a cap limitations [sic] you would’ve been fine.”

Fascinating.

But wait… it keeps going. Just this afternoon in discussions with a TV reporter I found that Comcast’s Business service requires you to have a Taxpayer Identification Number (or TIN) to prove that you’re a “real” business. And Stacey Higginbotham’s Gigaom article included this nice snippet:

Residential service isn’t clear-cut anymore: When looking at this guy’s usage, it’s possible that he was using his connection for work, which prompted Douglas to point out that he had signed up for a residential connection. This is a common ISP response when people bemoan their limited caps in the context of uploading files or sharing videos as part of their jobs. But when I asked if Vrignaud would even be eligible for a business connection, Douglas didn’t know. He said that the business people would want to make sure the connection was for a legitimate business which means they would ask for a Tax ID number or some other verification. While a freelancer might have that, a remote worker wouldn’t and would then have to get their employer involved in getting a connection. In some cases, although not necessarily in this one, folks in residential areas cannot even get a business connection.

Problem 1 — the work I am doing is currently supporting other consultants, and I have not actually created my own, personal business and applied for a TIN. Remember, until a few months ago I worked at Amazon. I see conflicting reports on the net about whether or not I could get a business class account from Comcast using my name and Social Security Number, and it doesn’t even seem as though Comcast knows for sure.

Problem 2 — how exactly does Comcast believe that a Business class internet account is an option for their consumer internet subscribers who use more than the allotted data cap? I’m an edge case, and might actually go off and get a TIN; 99 out of 100 of Comcast’s average consumers never will. And that’s completely ignoring the fact that Comcast won’t even allow past data cap offenders to migrate over once they’ve been cut off.

What do you mean internet should be defined a lifeline utility, and a right?! Companies aren’t required to provide you service if they don’t want your business!

This is the actually the crux of my “internet should be a right” point.

Many utilities are considered to be protected, and have laws in place to protect consumers:

Typically, “protected utility services” are the essential utilities needed for everyday life: Water, gas and electric (for power and heat), and a telephone line (usually land-based or “land-lines” only – cell phones usually aren’t protected). The rules vary from state to state, so make sure you check the laws in your area to see if and when your utilities may be turned off.

In general, though, most states that protect essential utilities follow some basic rules:

  • Essential utilities can’t be shut off, even for unpaid bills, during the “winter months,” which usually is measured from a specific day in November to a specific day in March, April, or even May
  • Elderly customers, and those who are seriously ill or suffering from a “life-threatening illness,” and customers who care for young children (usually less than one year old) mostly qualify for protection from shutoffs. Also, in some states, if you care for someone who’s elderly or seriously ill in your home, you’re also protected
  • In some cases, you have to make arrangements to repay any outstanding utility bills, as well as the new charges for services during the winter months
  • You typically need verification from a doctor that you or someone you’re caring for is seriously ill
  • In some states, you have to be suffering a financial hardship, such as the loss of a job, and be elderly or seriously ill, or caring for someone who is, or caring for an infant. In these states you’ll likely have to fill out forms proving your financial condition and inability to pay

- Lawyers.com: Consumer Contracts/What Are Protected Utility Services?

Today the internet is effectively a requirement to do a job search, find information, and stay connected. Commenters on my original post highlighted that there are food stamp programs completely managed via the internet – in other words, no internet access, no food. Some colleges require online access to register or do administrative functions – and to be clear, these aren’t internet-only/online schools. Even the United Nations believes internet access is a fundamental human right.

Libraries and other public facilities can only go so far toward satisfying this need, and as such I do strongly believe that all human beings have the right to access the internet, and that that right should be protected as an essential utility service.

You’re a Bittorrenting bastard who refuses to pay for content. Admit it!

Not really. I happily pay for content when it’s available, including a three disc Netflix/streaming subscription, a two disc Gamefly subscription, DirecTV, Pandora One (higher quality audio streams), downloadable game purchases from Steam, Xbox LIVE, and PlayStation Network, iDevice apps for my iPhone and iPad, as well as one-off streaming movie rentals from Xbox LIVE and PSN. However, in the spirit of full disclosure, I’m a Doctor Who fan and due to BBC America’s inability to release current episodes in a timely manner in the US (to either DirecTV or Netflix), I did grab the first two episodes of the current season from bittorrent earlier this month. However, that accounts for about about 1 gigabyte of data total – doesn’t explain the other missing 249 gigabytes. This is why it’s frustrating that Comcast either can’t or won’t share with me what applications were using the data they claim was used. I can’t trace the source back, and hence have to assume the issue is the uploading I was doing to the cloud.

You read Comcast’s Terms of Service and agreed to them. You were warned, and then you were cancelled. You deserve what you got!

I don’t remember the Terms of Service I assume I viewed eight or more years ago when I first signed up for Comcast. It’s reasonable to believe Comcast had some clause somewhere that I agreed to that allowed them to change those terms at will, and I’ll admit I missed the change. I’ll also admit that even if the new data cap policy had been explicitly called out to me, I would have likely accepted it as A) I wouldn’t have thought it would affect me, and B) I had no other competitive options available to me. I’ll even go so far as to say that I should have connected the dots sooner and realized my uploading data to Carbonite’s backup service and Amazon’s Cloud Drive would count against the data cap. However, I didn’t.

I suspect I didn’t make the connection because I believe most people think of broadband bandwidth in terms of “download,” and have not really internalized the new requirement of “upload” to really be able to use the new wave of cloud services.

This is understandable since, until recently, doing almost anything on the broadband internet required having a fat download pipe to you. And so logically, broadband companies have focused on that aspect in their marketing — here’s a screenshot I took off Comcast.com this morning as an example:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This “download speed is the only thing that matters” perception problem is further aggravated because Comcast misses many opportunities to disclose their data cap (and educate customers as to the combined effects of uploading and downloading data on that cap) in their order flow.

Ok, let me be a bit blunter. I can’t find Comcast’s data cap policy disclosed anywhere up to the final “Review and Submit” option in the order flow. Don’t take my word for it – try it for yourself, starting here.

The closest I get is a “Call for restrictions and complete details” sentence at the bottom of the “Details and Restrictions” pop-up:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can also find similar “Call your local Comcast office for restrictions and complete details about service, prices, and equipment in your area” language on the bottom of the “Review and Submit” page. But that’s all I can find in the order flow up to this page.

Now, I’m sure Comcast discloses the data cap in some fashion after this point. Perhaps it’s on click-through agreement page they send you later, or on the installer paperwork you sign. My main point is that the entire online ordering process appears to be designed to highlight and promote download speeds while obfuscating disadvantages such as a data cap policy. And that lack of data cap policy disclosure during this process does nothing to raise awareness in consumers that both upload and download data consumption is measured and capped, and could affect your use of the new wave of cloud services.

Would you ever use Comcast again?

Maybe.

While I am not happy with the decisions Comcast’s executive team makes, I have been surprised by how polite and helpful different individuals at Comcast try to be. They’re often hampered by Comcast’s backend systems and policy decisions, and rarely have the power to make any significant decisions on their own, but they do try. And I appreciate those I’ve spoken to who have expressed sympathy and sly agreement with my irritation at Comcast’s policies.

I’ve also always been happy with the overall stability and performance of my broadband service from Comcast. I may not like the company, the obtuse billing, limited promotions, and general aggravation to get things set up, but once it’s running it just works. And that counts for a lot in my book.

To sum up, I’d prefer to have truly competitive broadband offerings here in Seattle so I could pick and choose based on price and performance. And if Comcast won in a fair fight, I’d use them. But the sad reality is that today Comcast is the only game in down for >10 Mbps broadband service to the home. So depending on my experience with other competitors, there’s a reasonable chance I’d come back to them – irritated and grumpy – if only to just not worry about having fast and stable internet access. And hey, with no data cap I might even go into business and stream HD cat juggling videos to the world 24/7… you know. If that’s what you’re into.

What do you expect to come from all this? What’s next? What can I do?

My hope is that this discussion is one more feather of awareness added to the “broadband is an essential utility” side of the scale. And that over time, a combination of experiences such as mine, your comments, and public opinion help change Comcast’s policies and/or the laws in this country and protect what I believe is a right to connect to the internet.

I also hope that companies like Comcast change their data cap policies in particular. Comcast doesn’t need to completely cut off people who are (in theory) stressing the network. Just to toss out some ideas:

  • Throttle data speed after reaching whatever a reasonable, transparent data cap is. Note that this is different than Comcast’s pre-2008 policy of arbitrarily throttling data speed at any time; I’m specifically saying the ISP would only throttle data after the customer has in theory impacted the network, if needed to protect other users’ experiences.
  • Double or triple the data cap, or justify why 250 GB is the “right” number. This 250 GB data cap was set in 2008 without customer, FCC, or government input, and has not changed since. This is in spite of dropping costs and ever expanding bandwidth.
  • Charge for blocks of add-on data for any data use exceeding a previously disclosed and discussed-with-the-community data cap. But whatever you do, don’t cut people off from the lifeline of the internet.
  • Adjust your policies to incorporate the new reality of large-scale upload-required cloud services. Many of these services require a one-time large burst of data to get the initial backup done; data use afterward will be relatively small to update changed files and upload new content. Consider “looking away” at data destined for services such as Amazon’s Music Cloud Drive, or backup services such as Carbonite.

In short, I don’t understand Comcast’s argument that they need to cut people off from broadband service for overuse when the cost and availability of that service continues to drop and expand respectively. Nor do I understand why they don’t use alternative solutions such as those suggested above.

Comcast has other, more customer-friendly solutions available that they seem to shy away from. And Occam’s Razor seems to suggest the path they have chosen is to protect their existing TV business and hinder the growth of competitive streaming solutions such as Netflix, Hulu, YouTube, and others. I actually think being blocked from using data-heavy cloud services such as Carbonite or Amazon’s Cloud Drive is a side-effect of their goal of protecting their existing business, and not an explicit goal in itself. But it impacts consumers all the same.

So what’s next?

Well, first off, I’ve got to go do some real consulting work, and so won’t be able to spend quite as much time as I have on this for a few days. I have existing projects to land, and interestingly, several other opportunities have popped up thanks to this whole discussion. So if you want some consulting done around your games, platforms, or entertainment and technology products (including media positioning and messaging), drop me a line! Might as well turn the time I’ve spent on this into something that feeds the dogs. (And believe it or not, that includes you Comcast. We may disagree on a lot, but I’m willing to help you with your customer perception problems if you’re sincerely looking to make changes in the right direction.)

Beyond that, in the long run I’m not worried. The public (you!) know what’s right and what’s wrong, and you elect the politicians that will eventually see the light. The majority of people who have read this blog, sent me mail, and commented agree that internet access is a critical aspect of life today. Intuitively we all know this, and the more that situations like mine occur, the more light is cast upon anti-competitive practices such as Comcast’s current data cap policy.

It’s already happening. Just look at the Wired article that was just published on this topic. Comcast has moved from ignoring the subject to bringing out their spokespeople. It’s the Streisand effect, and the more you keep the issue alive, the more Comcast has to react, which perpetuates the PR flywheel. They’ll change their policy in time – we can just hope it’s not too long a wait. And I mean this sincerely: I hope we can all work with them to land on reasonable solutions that work for everyone.

My only last wish? Wouldn’t it be great for Jon Stewart and The Daily Show to pick all this up? Just saying.

Related posts:

  1. The Day Comcast’s Data Cap Policy Killed my Internet for 1 Year [Updated]
  2. Comcast Data Cap Policy News Coverage [Updated]
  3. A Cloudy Future [Updated]
  4. Update on Comcast Data Cap Situation (Including Complaint with WA Attorney General)
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  • http://www.yakkowarner.com Yakko Warner

    My big fear in this situation is, because of all the media attention you’ve gained, Comcast will strike a deal with you, the story will end, and nothing will change.

    And, I can only assume when you said “1998″ in the article twice, you meant “2008″. DSL was just barely getting off the ground (at least here in Denver) in 1998, and Comcast didn’t yet provide cable internet service (I got that through a company called @Home in 2000, before it was bought by AT&T and then sold to Comcast). I can’t imagine *anyone* thinking about downloading 250GB in 1998 — back then, I wouldn’t have had a hard drive big enough to hold it all.

    I might suggest, in the future, you set up a network with a Linux-based router sitting between everything and your internet connection. You can run a program called vnstat, which monitors the data usage (which, if it’s the only thing connected to your modem, can reliably be a total of all data usage in your house). It’s what I decided to do when Comcast first announced their cap — since it took them a total of EIGHTEEN MONTHS to provide a meter you could actually see yourself. (Before that, you were still subject to the cap, but had NO WAY of knowing where you were until they called you.) http://www.yakkowarner.com/2010/03/meter-is-here-at-last.html

    In that setup, you could also have the Linux router throttle bandwidth if needed. But you have to be somewhat technically savvy to do it; not something that someone like, say, my mother would be able to do if her Netflix viewing was abnormally large a couple months in a row.

    “This is why it’s frustrating that Comcast either can’t or won’t share with me what applications were using the data they claim was used.”
    While frustrating that they can’t help you troubleshoot, are you sure you’d *want* Comcast to keep a record of all the different kinds of packets your network was sending and receiving? I know I don’t — and I don’t even feel like I have anything to hide.

    • Chris

      Seattle had access to cable internet really early. I remember having it around 2000 or 2001. I then moved to San Francisco, and all they had for the next two years is DSL.

      • GryMor

        I don’t know about 1998 (had on campus ethernet then), but I had broadband in Factoria during 1999.

  • Loraan

    What I find interesting in this story is not so much that they cut you off, but that they feel compelled to cut you off for a year. That smacks not so much of trying to defend their other customers on your loop from performance problems as playing “daddy” and punishing you for “bad behavior.” Since they obviously know when you’ve exceeded your monthly cap and obviously can cut you off, why not just cut you off when you exceed your cap and start you back up again when the next month begins?

    The other aspect that bothers me as a customer myself (for now), is that there seems to be no way for you to know how much bandwidth Comcast thinks you are using. There was supposed to be a bandwidth meter on the account page, but I’m blessed if I can find it.

    • http://ozymandias.com Ozymandias

      @loraan I can’t find bandwidth meeter on account page either. Thought it was because my account might have been cancelled. Anyone else?

      • Andy Jones

        I think it’s hidden under “Account Settings”? Or “User and Account Settings” maybe? I can’t even log in to my Comcast account any more to find it.

      • Mireille

        I work for Comcast, and when they put the 250GB limit in place, it was well advertised within the company, but I don’t know how well it was communicated to customers. But, I can tell you if you log in to your account at comcast.net and click on the “Users & Settings” header, on that page, near the top right, you’ll see your metered usage. You can then click “View Details”, which really doesn’t give a more detailed view, but a summary of the past 3 months. There’s also a “Learn More” link on that page which takes you to a LOT of writing. I haven’t read it all, but it may have some good information.

        One big problem, though, is just in the past year the amount of streaming the average person does has to have skyrocketed, even when limiting to only legal and legitimate uses. With Netfllix, Hulu, digital sales of movies and TV shows on XBOX, Playstation, Amazon and others, cloud services… Comcast will need to re-evaluate what an “average user” uses. I am not involved with any group that makes these decisions, but I would hope that as these sorts of situations increase, which they undoubtedly will, they will make the needed changes. Whether that is tiered services by usage or just an increased cap (most likely with increased fees), I couldn’t say.

        What I CAN say, though, is a straight ban for a year is not the way to handle this situation. It’s another example of America’s tendency to impose “no tolerance” policies. Yes, often times high usage is associated with piracy, but there needs to be an option available for non-business users to arrange for higher bandwidth usage. Offering 105Mbps service to residential customers and still expecting that those users would remain below a 250GB/month cap is unrealistic.

        • http://9grecords.com KngtRdr

          Not only that, but why aren’t there various options for charging above the supposed “cap” ? Whether it be a per MB or GB type of charge, or if they shut you off, having an option to upgrade? A straight “cut-off” is a ridiculous policy. Why lose a customer? Did they not teach the up-sell in Comcast Marketing 101?

        • http://www.yakkowarner.com Yakko Warner

          You know, that’s an awful lot of clicks, none of which clearly tell you that you’re heading towards the bandwidth meter. Something this critical to your account should be up front and visible.

      • SeattleJeremy

        It’s under “Users & Settings”. Before today, I always used my hotmail address to log in, and it did not show the usage. I called them up to find out where to find the usage, and they directed me to use the assigned user name.
        Now I can see the bar, and can see I used 427GB in April, and 253GB in May. I have not had any service interruptions. I’ll keep my usage lower than that from now on.

        Maybe not setting up their user account keep me off the radar?

    • Brian

      After many failed attempts at finding Comcast’s ‘Data Usage Meter’, yesterday I was successful. What it basically involves is as follows:

      If you’re like me, you had an email account prior to signing up for Comcast’s services. However, when you become a customer of their Internet service, they give you a new Comcast.net email address. While it’s not required to access your account online, they are closing you out from certain features like the Data Usage Meter. But I had never used the Comcast email address, so I had to get a password reset from a online service rep.

      It was only after ‘linking’ my two email addresses (Hotmail and Comcast.net), was I able to access the Meter. It should be noted that after ‘linking’ I would no longer be able to use my Hotmail ID for login access to Comcast’s site.

      Long story short – I recovered my Comcast.net ID & password, logged in to “Customer Central”, clicked on ‘Users & Settings’ – lo and behold, right there at the top of the page. It also gives you a readout of the previous 2 months.

      I got lucky I guess, because in June I used 344 GB and in May I used a whopping 521 GB. Anyways, I hope this helps.

      • http://ozymandias.com Ozymandias

        Christ… I have no idea what email accounts I might have had with Comcast. All I know is that right now, I see no bandwidth meter. Not sure how Comcast wants me to use it – and there seem to be many others who are having the same problem finding it.

        • http://9grecords.com KngtRdr

          How did you not get cut off, with GB counts like that? Think Comcast is profiling? Or TSA-style random checking? (meaning, they have no actual logging software?)

  • http://hexapodia.blogspot.com Ray Radlein

    Interesting. We were regularly brushing up against that monthly cap with Comcast, what with my wife working from home, and i did a bit of research and opted for the ~$5 a month more unmetered Business plan.

    They did not ask me for a TIN. They did not ask us for any new information. They did not charge us any kind of one-off installation fee, and they did not send out any new equipment (to be fair, we have been leasing a cable modem from them since forever). All they did was “Uh-hum” and “okay, then,” and made some magic happen that involved them not bothering us ever again about our bandwidth usage, even when my wife had to trade huge datasets with coworkers around the world one month and our total usage hit ~750GB.

    Guess I lucked out there.

  • http://? theUbiq

    I reckon you should drop by the Comcast office and murder everyone…

    Corporations like this, in particular american corporations, suck. It’s the bottom line that matters and not the customer.

    I feel sorry for you and all the other comcast users in yankland… Don’t do a deal with them; find another provider.

  • http://twitter.com/gorideyourbike Andy Jones

    I feel for you. I had the same thing happen to me earlier this month. When I was first warned I was very angry that Comcast would limit the amount of data (I also never saw anything that said there was a data cap in place). They claim that most people never come close to using 250 GB, fine if most people don’t use that much then it should be a big deal of a few people do.

    I’m also frustrated that they are currently the only company that provides internet to this part of town, I’m moving across town later this month and hope I can get someone else in my new apartment. And don’t even get me started on cable companies trying to get you to bundle their other services. Don’t they get that I JUST want the internet and I don’t want to pay an arm and a leg for it? Cable TV is a dying business, they need to realize that they are no longer cable TV providers who are also an ISP, they are an ISP who happens to provide cable TV. I will certainly support any politician that supports increasing competition between ISPs. But then given the conflict of interest in Washington that will never happen. http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/fcc_baker/index2.html

  • Mark Jonson

    I’ve found your story very fascinating, and while the mainstream media spends its 24-hour news cycle obsessing over the legitimacy of birth certificates and the concerns over taxes and the debt ceiling, I’ve expressed my concerns for years to friends and family over the issues of net neutrality that have been looming for the past 4 or 5 years. That being said, nobody outside of the tech community seems to know about nor understand the ramifications of what could happen if net neutrality is not codified into law until you start showing them that those consequences are already taking effect. Many have never heard of the term “net neutrality” at all. This is one of those moments when all Americans need to see what’s really going on and understand why they should care.

    While many people would argue that net neutrality does not include the banning of data usage caps because usage caps are data-agnostic, I would simply point out that other “first-world” countries with which America competes (economically, as well as technologically) like Japan, South Korea, and many European countries not only avoid data caps, they have universal Internet access available to their citizens at speeds higher than we see in the US and at a lower price. Since the American ISPs find it cheaper to artificially reduce their customer base (and consequently, network demand) than to simply use customer revenues to enhance and expand their networks’ capacities, perhaps it will require more individuals like yourself to experience what is eventually coming to all of us before Americans wake up and realize if they don’t make government act soon, we will all be paying more to access to controlled, capped, throttled, and filtered Internet services. That is, if they don’t find a reason ban us despite those limitations anyway. Perhaps customer usage bans need to be banned? That would imply universal access for all, which seems to be your message here. And I agree with that.

    With all that said, I have to ask: what are you going to do now? That is, to continue working and proceeding with your “everyday life?” Will you be able to turn to DSL service for a year? Perhaps a T-carrier from the local telco? WiMAX service through Clearwire/Sprint or some sort of EVDO/HSPA/LTE service through T-Mobile, Verizon, or AT&T? I’m honestly curious what Comcast and other ISPs expect to happen after they deny service to willing and able-to-pay users. They likely could care less, but as somebody who is now faced with that situation, I am curious which alternative you find to be the best given these circumstances.

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  • http://iNet2.Tv Ernie Johnston

    Looks like CLEAR.com has UNLIMITED service in your neighborhood for $45 per month. 1 Mbps down and probably 11 up with towers near Delmar Dr E south of 520 and E Boston St east of I-5. Must be at least as good as DSL. Best of Luck

  • Todd

    From what I understand, Comcast won’t tell you what specifically had been using bandwidth but did they let you know how much over the limit you were for either month? If so, how much was it.

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  • revcor

    See it doesn’t make much sense for any business to cut someone off who pays theirs bills on time, especially for a year. Business is about making money and by cutting you off, it does the exact opposite of that…how is that good business?

    If you think you’ve got it bad, read up on Canadian data caps. I pay roughly $50 a month for 10down/512kbps UP. Thats right, 512 up and I get a massive 60gigs a month combined for down/up. This is the standard up here since two companies have a monopoly on the entire country. If you exceed their oh so generous cap, you pay $2 per gig over up to $50. So to get unlimited, slow internet up here, it costs $100 a month (plus %13 tax, and modem rental). There is no unlimited option anywhere, with anyone. You can increase speeds, and increase cap sizes but there is no unlimited plan and the $2 per gig over applies to all levels of service. Which is funny since from all research and such, increasing bandwidth costs as little as 0.01 cent. ISPs have a set amount of bandwidth, you using more or less doesn’t change that fact. The more the internet grows, the more bandwidth companies must provide. They just don’t want to shell out the money for the expanded infrastructur to increase their bandwidth across the network, so instead they institute caps that will hopefully curb internet use enough that they can hold off as long as possible in updating, while also making money off you.

    The internet, like you said, is a basic human right these days. It is an essential service that should be offered at a fair price without limitations.

    • whatever

      @revcor: how is it good business? because his internet use *costs* them money. they don’t want his business. that’s the thing about monopolies: there’s plenty more where he came from.

      • revcor

        It doesn’t cost them money though, none at all. The amount of bandwidth Comcast has is finite. Him using 5 gigs or 400 gigs, costs comcast the exact same amount of money. Think of it this way. If you bought a gym membership and go to that gym everyday, all day, does it costs them anything? The machines, weights, lights, etc are all finite. If you are there, they get used, if you’re not, they are still there. Internet bandwidth is the same thing. They have a finite amount that cannot be exceeded but it being underused doesn’t save them any money. In fact, it be more cost effective if it was running at capacity all the time.

        They provide a service, its up to the business to ensure their tech is on par with the increasing internet usage.

  • Patrick

    The thing I find baffling about this entire scenario is your confusion about data caps. Why WOULDN’T uploads count towards your cap? This is like being surprised that your car requires gas not only to get TO work, but to get BACK from it as well. Wtf, right? Wait, no.

    This is particularly surprising coming from someone who has a good deal of experience working with the internet. Honestly, this is just basic common sense.

    I’m not a Comcast apologist; I find many of their business practices downright abhorrent. But ignorance of basic policies, stated clearly in your contract (however long ago you may have signed it) does not exclude you from having to abide by them.

    You were even given fair warning before having your service shut off permanently. Wouldn’t THAT have been the time to figure out why you’d exceeded the data cap so as to avoid it in the future?

  • Tyrone Lockhart

    Here in Canada, many ISP’s provide tiers of “service.” Bell for example provides a 2mbps down Fibre Line for $28.90 a month. And to find the limit (which you sort of really have to look for on their site) it’s 2GB in a month. The next higher tier is a bit more upfront: 6mbps with a 25GB per month cap. Rogers has a lower visible cap than even Comcast’s invisible one. The highest tier Rogers internet is 50mbps down, 2mbps up and a 175 GB cap. Unfortunately for Rogers, they throttle the crap out of your upload if you use Bittorrent: “†††Rogers Hi Speed Internet (delivered over cable) and Portable Internet from Rogers currently manages upstream peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing applications speed to a maximum of 80 kbps per customer. This policy is maintained at all times. For information on Rogers Internet traffic management practices and Legal Disclosure click here.” and not only that, you incur even more charges for exceeding the cap, though I don’t think they will ever cut you off straight up.

    If the internet service providers really want to provide a good value for the service they do provide, they need to do away with throttling and limits, and just provide a pipeline through which the data flows.

    Good luck on your crusade.

  • Paul

    I’ve always been disgusted by the speeds Americans get and paying $60 for 15meg is diabolical. As a matter for comparison, in the UK I got Cable TV in 1992 with Nynex, who were taken out by Cable and Wireless and eventually NTL. We got 1 Meg Broadband with NTL for £10 ($16) We also had telephone and TV with NTL and didn’t have to pay a line fee. When even a new top speed was brought out, the lower packages would get the one above so as the speeds eventually went to 20meg top speed, we were at 5meg.

    A few years ago Virgin Media took over NTL and we decided to pay extra for 10meg, so was getting 10meg broadband for £25 ($40) and the line charge for free. The datacap was limited to 3gig during peak times and unlimited during off-peak. If we hit the cap we would get throttled, but not cut off.

    Before Christmas 2010 I found out that if we moved to 20meg we would get a discount because we have TV and Telephone with Virgin Media and that for 20meg it would cost only £18 ($29). The same datacaps applied.

    Then in March 2011 we were told that we could be increased to 30meg a month for the same monthly price, but £30 one off for the new modem or we could go to 50meg for an extra £3 and got the new modem for free. The 50meg also comes with unlimited data cap, so we lept at the chance, since 10 months of 50meg is the cost of the modem if we went to 30meg. So we pay £21 ($33) for 50meg download and 5meg upload (will be increased to 10meg soon).

    Virgin Media aren’t perfect, but when I hear about Comcast and other American services I’m appalled by the service and the cost you pay. In fact my entire town get’s free wi-fi and other towns do too. The Government want to offer free wi-fi across the whole of England because they believe it’s a ‘right’ too.

    Currently Virgin Media offer 100meg in some parts for £45 ($72) and are increasing the network all the time. Not currently available where I am. They are also testing 1.25gb connections at the moment.

    Perhaps I’ve just depressed you :o

    PS: Downloaded and uploaded 389 gig in 7 days so far.

  • Adam

    Honestly, I think the prices Americans pay through Comcast are utterly insane. I live up in Canada and it’s nowhere near as bad.

    Fact of the matter is, I just switched over to a 50Mbps Down through Shaw with a 400gig Cap for only 65 bucks a month for the first 6 and it only goes up to 100 a month after that, this also includes my LAN line and some basic cable through an HD box.

    And I also agree with everything in this and the last post. (I saw this through Kotaku)

    Hopefully something gets done about it down there.

  • THAT guy.

    In Chattanooga, we don’t have a cap on our fiber services which is pretty awesome in regard to the hands-off approach of the company. Naturally, we have to adhere to the DMCA emails we get and send them to customers but all-in-all, we let the customer determine how much bandwidth to use. That may change in the future but I think that EPB is forward thinking enough to side-step the issue unless it becomes problematic from a legal standpoint.

  • sweett310

    “This 250 GB data cap was set in 1998″

    I feel that’s the biggest red flag right there. Was there even 250 GB of information to be downloaded/uploaded in 1998? In internet terms, 13 years is essentially a lifetime. I’m sure in 1998, the 250 cap was completely reasonable. But in today’s age, with HD video/music, live streaming, full game downloading, and cloud service, 250 GB is not the “impossible to reach” number it used to be, even over the span of a month. The fact that as technology has advanced, they haven’t updated their caps accordingly just shows how clueless they are.

    • GryMor

      There was definitely 250GB to be transferred in 1998. Video conferencing could easily go over 250GB in a month, without even getting into the grey area of high quality anime fansubbing that was starting to move online. This doesn’t touch on the, at the time new, indie mp3 distribution or any of the darker aspects. 250GB was certainly a lot of data, but there were legitimate ways to reach that level of usage.

      • http://ozymandias.com Ozymandias

        To be fair, the date I had in mind was October 2008, when Comcast started their data cap policy. 1998 was a brainfart and mistake on my part, and I’ve fixed it in the post.

        However, agree on the data point!

    • Did

      The 250 GB cap was put in place in 2008, not in 1998. Before that Comcast had some unknown cap that they never revealed and if you were consistently above it they would disconnect you.

      250 GB two years ago was kind of OK, however now with all of the new HD streaming options this would give you less than 1 movie a day if you were to stream it.

      I don’t stream any movies and am consistently above 60GB a month (I measure it myself using MRTG and Cacti).

      All of us in the US pay high prices and receive bad service and poor customer service because of the lack of real competition. I can only envy my friends and relatives in Europe for the prices that they pay and service that they receive…

      • http://ozymandias.com Ozymandias

        Thank you for the catch on the 1998 date – brainfart on my part. I’ve fixed in the post.

  • teckmonkey

    I live slightly north of Seattle and have been using Frontier FIOS for over a year now with zero problems. I don’t know if where you live has fiber available, but it might be something you might want to look into.

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  • http://Www.redundantrobot.com Travis

    Let’s say that comcast raises the cap, let’s say that your 1-yr suspension is lifted early, and let’s say more clear wordage is provided for new users about the cap.

    This doesn’t change that comcast is still the only game in town. I’m not advocating socializing of Internet (though I don’t think that’d be so bad) but that we need some other players in this game. I’m tired of comcast, I’m tired of their games yet I’m handcuffed by it all.

  • Patrick

    I tell you reading this original story kind of prompted some concern for my usage. I recently got rid of my tv and phone services from comcast due to network issues. Sending 3 types of service through one line had us constantly disconnected. So now that we have internet only we stream hulu and netflix like its going out of style. There are only 2 of us in our household, 3 actually but the baby does not use the net yet thank god. So i asked comcast what my usage was last month on our data. And just the 2 of us streaming music and movies, and my call of duty playing netted us 200gb something that i doubt we had ever come close to before we has internet only as our entertainment option. I just wonder when comcast is going to evolve their policy with the change of the way we watch television. Sure we only hit 4/5 of our cap but still its scary to know we get close and could possibly one day loose service for a year solely for the fact that we use the service alot. I would be stuck with out a viable internet option since comcast is the only provider in the area. The point im trying to make is its not even about uploading to a cloud. Just by streaming content from netflix and hulu has me pushing 4/5 of my cap. I could not imagine what would happen if I was out of work for a month. Im sure that cap would be pushed to its limit quite fast. On a side note. Comcast has been extremely diligent and helpful in getting me the services I needed. They even cancelled my contract at no charge because of my unhappiness with the xfinity services. But alas I do feel you pain. I hope they see the error of their ways and look into providing better service for the ever changing norm of entertainment media.

  • James

    Oh brilliant… I’ve just been looking at the Comcast vs FCC court case today.. in which Comcast won. Data caps are becoming less realistic, in my opinion, the demand for HD content increases and more and more web development starts utilizing tools like Flash that are bandwidth intense. Hell… a lot of content generated on the web these days is bandwidth heavy, if you want to put it that wat.

    Having said that… just to quote…

    —————————————————————————————————————-
    The current FCC net neutrality framework allows for the banning of “unreasonable discrimination against lawful network traffic but allows broadband ISPs to create usage-based pricing and tiered services that charge heavy data users more. ISPs will also be allowed to create specialized services separate from the public Internet for specific apps like healthcare and security, but will be required to justify such services to the FCC.”
    —————————————————————————————————————-

    However, this third-way as the FCC’s calling it, isn’t being widely accepted at all.

    Not to forget, the backslap that the US Supreme Court has given the FCC after it stated that the FCC did not have the powers to regulate how service providers managed their networks.

  • Bruce

    Interesting article, but I think the fundamental premise misses an obvious point.

    Assuming less-than-infinite bandwidth for an ISP, one can either provide a pay-per-use service or a service with caps…

    Do you want pay-per-use service? If Comcast didn’t put a cap on usage and lots of people started “going rogue” like you with >= 250GB data transfer each month, their servers would be swamped and *no one* would get acceptable network bandwidth anymore.

    Comcast did the right thing in shutting you down… If you had correctly identified your bandwidth hog the first time and stopped it all would have been fine, but you didn’t and they couldn’t risk you consuming 250GB of data for a third month so they did what was in the best interest of their other customers and shut you down.

    As to your claiming internet should be a lifeline right, I can see merit to that claim at some level but don’t think it is relevant to the reason Comcast shut you down. Sure it is hard for a utility to shut off gas in the winter, but you can bet if the company proved the home owner had all their doors and windows open and was heating the neighborhood (somewhat akin to your consuming 250GB bandwidth in a month) I do not think any legal system would fault the company for shutting down that utility, especially after giving fair warning (maybe even showing it couldn’t provide enough gas for other houses due to that resource hog).

    If internet streaming video becomes very big, we might need to go with pay-per-use plans at some point, but I’m not sure I want to go there, nor that I want to get the courts more involved in legislating internet access at this point.

    Would you have been happy if Comcast, instead of shutting you down, provided data showing their average consumer used 5 GB per month and paid $50, so they would reconnect your service if you paid them $2500 for your 250GB data (x 2 months)?

    FWIW, I commend your lossless audio storage (I go almost as far buying CDs and ripping my own digital copies) … Just a shame you didn’t realize trying to back up all that stuff on the internet was a really bad idea…

    Also FWIW, I switched from Comcast to FiOS recently … I like my DVR interface a bit better but actually had better internet bandwidth (fewer netflix streaming pauses) with Comcast than I now do with (15/5) FiOS… Good to have options, but the services aren’t that different from what I’ve seen…

    • revcor

      Here’s the thing, ISP’s have a hard bandwidth line. The entire network can only offer so much bandwidth. You using less or more doesn’t save them anything, the infrastructure is already paid for and in place. If I use 400gigs a month and you use 20 gigs a month, it still costs Comcast the exact same amount of money. Data caps is called being cheap. They are in the business of providing internet service, it is up to them to keep their tech on pace with the level of usage. If I pay for a gym membership, I expect to be able to go the gym from the time they open, to the time they close 365 days a year. I don’t pay $30 a month so I can be told that I’m only allowed to work out 15 days a month for 3 hours at a time.

      • Cut the Crap

        So at your gym, there are no signs on the treadmills politely asking people to limit their use to 30 minutes at peak times.

        What we have here is the tragedy of the commons. You assume that you are entitled to all of that infrastructure regardless of how it affects others. And if you were the only one who felt this way, fine. What Comcast is trying to do is discourage that behavior from taking root in so many users that it shuts down ordinary people like me, who don’t have the fetishized interest in storing uncompressed audio that you do.

        Seriously, I’d be more outraged on your behalf if you told me Comcast shut you down for porn consumption. This is a perfect storm of snobbery, uninformed libertarianism and false equivalences.

    • Monkinto Master

      Uhm well first off the internet you get doesn’t work like that. They have servers and they can only provide so much service to people at one specific time but they can provide unlimited data to travel through those pipes over that period of time. The idea that you can only have 250 gigs of data pumped to your house a month is total crap. You sir have fallen into the misconceptions that Comcast wants you to.

    • Monkinto Master

      Uhm well first off the internet you get doesn’t work like that. They have servers and they can only provide so much service to people at one specific time but they can provide unlimited data to travel through those pipes over that period of time. The idea that you can only have 250 gigs of data pumped to your house a month is total crap. You sir have fallen into the misconceptions that Comcast wants you to.

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  • Arthur Strum

    “Today the internet is effectively a requirement to do a job search, find information, and stay connected.”

    Do you need 250GB to do a job search? How about to find information? 250GB is an aweful lot of “staying connected”.
    And even so….
    This is not the same thing as a mother caring for a small child, or an elderly person needing 911 access. Sorry dude, but get over yourself. 12MB of unlimited bandwidth is not a right. If you want to make the argument that 56K on a phone line is a right, I’d still disagree but at least then your points about a job search would have merit. Nobody needs 12MB to do a job search.

    “Commenters on my original post highlighted that there are food stamp programs completely managed via the internet – in other words, no internet access, no food.”

    Talk about melodrama. Really? No food? You could easily get food stamps with dial up. OR, cringe. DSL. Or Satellite. But no, you don’t want 3MB, you want 10+ and you want more than 250GB a month of bandwidth. Thats a LOT of food stamps.

    “Not really. I happily pay for content when it’s available,”

    WHEN ITS AVAILABLE. This sounds like a pirate.

    “I did grab the first two episodes of the current season from bittorrent earlier this month. ”

    Ha. You admit it. You’re a pirate.

    “However, the marketplace really isn’t competitive in Seattle for what I define as highspeed (>10 Mbps) broadband – Comcast is the only real gig in town. ”

    “FOR WHAT I DEFINE”

    Beautiful. Now a persons rights are based on your own personal definition of high speed. Self Aggrandize much?

    I also find it hard to believe Seattle is so desparately meager in its internet connection options after repeated wins of the “most connect city in the USA” an award that is based on how many internet options the average citizen has. Point of fact: Seattle ranked #5 IN THE WORLD for being a well connected city. How is it that a basic human right could be so hard to come by in a city FAMOUS for providing that very thing to its citizens so successfully. Methinks your standards are a bit high. My guess is that between dialup, DSL, satellite, cable, T1 etc you have a multitude of internet options that will MORE than allow you to register for food stamps or do a job search.

    Even if one were to assume your melodrama of “no internet = no food” were correct, its still an ENORMOUS and ridiculous leap to say that unlimited bandwidth at 12MB down is a basic human right. You pretty much destroy your entire premise there.

    Sorry man, just the way it is. I don’t even like comcast, but this rant/whine of yours has me actually rooting for them. Good job.

    • Anon

      The United Nations, in fact, recently declared that disconnecting people from the Internet is a violation of human rights. 

    • Tsurala

      I know you think internet access is not a “Need”, however, in my case, it is.

      I work strictly from home.  The main office is a five hour drive north, plus an hour long ferry ride to get to the island.  I do tech support over the phone, and frequently have to remotely connect to customers to resolve their issues.  If I do not have a data speed that is fast enough, yes, I can lose my job because I cannot keep up with the demands of my duties. 

      My internet gets cut off, I cannot do my job.  Next, you’re going to state that I need to just find a different job, right?

      • Cuther

        This is largely irrelevant.  In the case you mention, this is clearly a business expense. If it’s reimbursed by your company, what does it matter? If it’s not, you can claim it on your taxes as a deduction. This has nothing to do with your rights whatsoever.

        • Anonymous

          what? this has nothing to do with PAYMENT is has everything to do with usage.

    • http://phoneboy.com phoneboy

      While there are other choices out there, I would challenge you to find a single option in the Seattle area that meets the FCCs definition of “Basic Broadband” (which is 4mb down and 1mb up) other than Comcast or the local cable company. All other options that might exist fall short in terms of bandwidth, reliability, availability, or price.

    • Kerplunkid

      go you, you’re a devils advocate, good job. 250 GB is a lot of food stames, compare that with 0 anything, he got cut off, remember?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Johnathan-Post/100003145303408 Johnathan Post

       Someone call Gary Gygax..there’s a troll loose!

  • http://mannitt.com/ Jeff

    I find this whole situation interesting. It was only a couple months ago that we were told by AT&T, I have AT&T Uverse, that they were going to be adding a data cap. There’s isn’t much better. The cap is 250GB, but instead of being banned when going over, you get an extra $10 charge for every 50GB you go over every month. But their reasoning is the same about lowering the congestion from high data users. The thing I find funny is, most of the internet providers are going this road and the government isn’t doing anything about it, but the “US Government financing ‘internet in a box’ suitcase to help dissidents avoid censors, newspaper reports”. http://www.news.com.au/technology/us-government-financing-internet-in-a-box-suitcase-to-help-dissidents-avoid-censors-newspaper-reports/story-e6frfro0-1226073989789
    I really wondered how soon people would be affected by the data cap stuff, especially with cloud services, entertainment video and audio site, and also gaming becoming more intensive. It happened a lot sooner then I thought. Well it at least was brought to light sooner then I thought. The reason I said on your first post that I was happy that this happened to you, only because you are bringing it out there quickly. That is one of the many pluses of the internet.

  • jfdimarco

    “Sorry, that’s not an option. You cannot self-install, and cannot use anything but the Comcast supplied endpoints.”

    uhh…i own my own docsys 3.0 modem. All you have to do is call them, read them the MAC address, and they will provision it. Then return the modem they gave you.

    A little education might have saved you a lot of time.

    • http://ozymandias.com Ozymandias

      Incorrect. I did exactly what you describe for my consumer connection and it worked. They do not let you do this for the business class – I asked. :(

      • not telling

        not incorrect. i do tech & billing support for business class. we use resi modems all the time. you are not required to use the smc d3 modem or any other modem we give you unless you are using a static ip address. thats the only case where you are required to use our hardware. you spoke to someone who didnt know what was going on.

        • http://ozymandias.com Ozymandias

          Maybe the confusion comes from the lease? I specifically asked if I could bring my own modem, and not lease Comcast’s equipment, and was told no… thoughts?

        • Genowhirl9999

          You say that like it’s his fault…

  • Hayley

    So, is there really no internet service in america with decent speed and no data cap? Because in the UK we have virgin media which is 35 quid and 50 meg download speed. I really don’t understand why there isn’t another option for you in america, it definitely needs amending if there isn’t.

  • Hendel

    Ran across this story via Wired, and felt the chills run down my back – there but for the grace of God, etc. In the last few days I’d received a pair of bogus MAFIAA warning messages from Comcast regarding alleged BitTorrent downloads, and had been mildly concerned even though I am absolutely certain there’s no BitTorrent traffic coming from any of my machines. Like you, with mild regret I figured my open wifi was the likely source, and locked it down.

    *Your* situation, however, terrifies and infuriates me. I too have online backups, and a Netflix account, and frequently transfer large files. Honestly, I’m all but certain I routinely exceed the 250GB monthly limit. Both my wife and I work full-time online from home, and abruptly losing our network connection would be a serious problem (as well as likely driving my teen daughter, who has grown up thinking of the Internet as equally pervasive and only slightly less essential to life than oxygen), especially followed by a year ban with no recourse. We aren’t even in the Seattle metro; out here in Kitsap our choices are likely even fewer than yours.

    After reading your story, I’m tempted to grit my teeth, call Comcast up, and see if they’ll give me that $65/mo business plan as a matter of proactive self-defense. It’s probably the smart thing to do. But the longer I think I about it, the more that feels like just walking up to the school bully and handing over my lunch money without being asked in the hope that he won’t beat me up. It makes me angry, and angry usually != smart.

    But it could be worse. I could be you.

    Added your blog to my RSS feed; please keep us updated on this. Here’s hoping the EFF spends some time giving Comcast’s Customer Agreement a good hard look and finds the typo in it that opens them to a nice fat educational lawsuit.

  • Hope I don’t get fired

    So i just started “training” at a call center…for a certain internet company… As I have been there for very little time, I have found the people working for this company have a hard time explaining the policys. In fact, a good deal of the programs used on account information is a jumbled beuqacratic mess of something that could be much easier.

    I am in a similar situation. I am not allowed to get another IP in my area because Comcast will not wire my neighborhood. I have fought with this other company for years, but with little luck at getting them to work with me.

    I am of the opinion that Internet is a NEED not a want. But the system that America wants to feed us is capitalism. I am not for large government intervention, but come on America Wake up! We are getting screwed here. Make it a utility bill.

  • Doug aka DiGGyspiFF

    Regarding your Seattle providors; I can name off two from the top of my head that both offer >10Mbps and one of them is MUCH more reliable with speed than any other provider. Verizon FiOS. Standard plan starts out at 15Mpbs/3Mpbs I believe. Quest/Centurylink also has VERY affordable rates if you don’t mind DSL. Much cheaper than both FiOS and Comcast.

    Interesting note for all Comcast users. Comcast claims fiberoptic lines BUT did you know those lines are only neighborhood community lines and then it gets put to a converter that sends the signal back through standard coaxial to the main hub?

    FiOS is full fiber from your house to the hub.

    I personally have FiOS and I can tell you right now, I’m def. over that 250gb a month. I’d say more around 500gb or so. I don’t think I have a cap and if I do, its really high.

    • http://ozymandias.com Ozymandias

      Verizon is not available in Seattle – at least to the best of my knowledge. Might be in some small pockets downtown, perhaps in condos, but as far as I know Verizon is limited to the Eastside across the lake (not Seattle, as I like to joke with friends). Qwest is probably my best option – but no where near Comcast speeds.

      • Genowhirl9999

        Fios has pretty spotty coverage east of seattle as well. The majority of places near me don’t have it. I’d love to have it, I’m dying to get rid of comcast.

  • Aske

    As a European (Denmark), I find this completely shocking. I’ve had broadband here for the last five years at least, and while our speeds aren’t ridiculous (We only very recently started having affordable 20/2 DSL lines in the inner cities), things like data caps and throttling seem outright strange.

    The only data cap I have is on my phone, and that’s because I have a 10$/mo data plan with basically unlimited speed (whatever my phone and the nearby antenna can manage) – The cap is a measly 250 MB, though.

  • http://nycgrl.hubpages.com/ Veronica

    Wanted to show my support! Comcast freakin sucks, all the cable companies do. And the fact that depending on where you live, you only have one option? RIDICULOUS AND UNFAIR. That’s why I finally left Optimum (Cablevision) and got Verizon Fios once it was available in my area in Northern NJ. I hear Fios is not available by you (thanks to the CNN article) which sucks, they don’t have caps. Fight the good fight my friend and really stick it to Comcast. I am spreading the word throughout my blogs and social media profiles and telling everyone I know to do the same. Good luck!

  • Shawn McN

    You know, it’s funny, because this month I’m dead in the water on this too.

    I too have Comcast, the Performance package, and bought a ton of games on Steam during their recent summer sale. I’ve been trying to download the backlog of my collection as well – I’m more likely to play them if I can click ‘Play’ and go.

    On the 6th, I started wondering if/what my cap would be, so I decided to check. Comcast does at least have that little meter! I mean, sure, you have to login with your comcast.net email (as opposed to a linked account). Turns out, last month from trying to get my Steam backlog, I used 244GB! And this month, on the 6th, I was a 202GB! Fantastic! Thanks for having an option to contact me when I get close – sure, you have ‘Comcast Alerts’, but BW cap alerts? HA!

    Now I sit at 215GB. I’ve been very conservative, lowering quality on video on Hulu, not using my Netflix, and not downloading any more of my Steam games. Torrents? Nope! Nor were any originally involved. I can’t risk losing my net connection – as a software engineer working from home about 50% of the time, loss of it would be catastrophic. And I’m moving soon, so an upgrade to business class doesn’t make sense.

    What irks me the most is that you CANNOT buy any sort of cap upgrade, short of trying for the business-class service. Comparatively, look at Verizon Wireless: From telecommuting, my cell phone minutes went over. Oh no! Wait… did they shut off my phone? No. Did they force me to pay the .45/minute overage? No. They also gave me the option of just upgrading my plan for that month! $16 to prevent major overage and stay connected the last week of June? Sure!

    It’s sad when you can use VERIZON as an example of how things should work.

    Now I’m looking at Cox cable… oh yay, 250GB cap – unless I go with the significantly faster $90/month plan, at which point I get 400GB cap. That’s… better? It’s like they have the caps where they are just to discourage piracy because it’s a pain for them to deal with and because web video like Hulu and Netflix eats their margins. I’d get FIOS, but it’s not available in apartments very often.

    Oh, and just for fun? A little basic math. So Comcast performance internet is 15Mb/sec, or 1.875MB a sec, at top speed. Let’s assume you get, on average, half that (1MB/sec), which is conservative in my experience. Ok… so, you could hit the cap in 256,000 seconds… less than 72 hours! At that max speed, you could hit it in less than 38 hours! And that’s JUST downloading. Also: that assumes the cap is 250GB instead of 250Gb (which it likely is). (Yet another note: you are unlikely to get these speeds consistently. Remember, it’s ‘up to’! Quality of service terms? Only businesses can get that!)

    But, what do you have to download that big? I mean, there’s video (stream and purchase), audio (same deal), communication such as Skype, software downloads (free and paid), online backup, photo sharing… and these are just the HEAVY bandwidth uses. And, again, instead of slowdown or blocking high-bandwidth uses after hitting the cap? Nope, it’s shutoff! That’s the SENSIBLE solution, right? It’s like dealing with a ant problem by napalming the house!

  • Spencer

    Mr. Vrignaud,

    Have you explored the options of going with a mobile data provider such as Sprint (who I read in the Wired article doesn’t have a cap on bandwidth like the others)?

  • Migs

    I find it funny how some less developed countries have better Internet and cellphone service than America.

    I’m guessing greed is what’s most likely holding development back.

    They charge more for less service means more profit with less expenses.

    • Joe E

      Greed is part of it, as highlighted by Verizon’s inability to access the area Andre lives in.  However, that’s  not the real cause – the cause is related to the cost of overlaying the cable.  In the 3rd world (including many westernised countries) they have no infrastructure or else VERY old infrastructure (50+ years old) so new infrastructure is created (3rd world primarily) or VERY old infrastructure is added/replaced (UK & much of Europe, for instance).

      Much of the US infrastructure is only about 30 years old, so while it’s slow, it’s still viable (and can be marketed as such); however, in the UK & much of Europe, the infrastructure was laid following WWII, so now it’s out-dated enough to be replaced with new, better technology.  Conversely, the 3rd world countries have NO infrastructure, so they are getting high-speed mobile towers, et al.  This being one cause for amazing wireless speeds and exploding mobile phone & mobile internet services in 3rd world countries but almost no decent landline speeds.  

      We’ll catch-up, but by that point, we’ll still be 10-20 years behind…note the cynicism of that statement.

  • Chris H

    Have you tried having one of your rommates sign up for the comcast service so it’s under a different name? I would find it surprising if they blacklisted addresses and not individual accounts… for all they know you might have moved

  • David R.

    Am I the only one old enough to remember when the internet was accessed and paid for BY THE MINUTE!? When a person likely had to pay long distance fees as well as internet access fees?

    Everyone needs to keep in mind that caps are the easy alternative to consumption fees and are much more preferable.

    I see a future where we are charged per gig of consumption. This is the way it was for years. The only reason it changed is because the providers ability to offer bandwidth was scaling much faster than our ability to consume it. The OP makes a great point about things like netflix, pandora and cloud based computing. I honestly believe that the times have changed. We as consumers of data have, in our ability to consume, surpassed the rate at which the providers are capable of delivering.

    Mark me words as the old man in the room. Charges based on consumption is coming back. If the only thing we ever see is caps, then consider yourself lucky. Imagine if you were paying by the gig. You couldn’t afford it at all.

  • http://n/a Tony

    Internet access from your domicile is a luxury, much like a cellular telephone.

  • Dang Ng.

    I agree with you 100%. I think Comcast’s cap is arbitrary and they are way off base with their “average user” claims. In our household, we have five people: me, my wife, and our three kids (all under 11). Our Internet use consists of email, online games, and watching Youtube videos. I have a pc connected to our home theater and we also stream high quality videos to it. I also use my bandwidth for work and supporting the web site of a charitable organization I belong to. In terms of computers and devices, we have 2 laptops, 2 desktop computers, the HTPC, and 2 Droid smartphones that are all connected to the Internet virtually all the time.

    Comcast claims, “…the median data usage by XFINITY Internet customers is approximately 4 – 6 GB each month.” Well, if that is true, then our household’s modest use of the Internet, in my opinion, is way over. As I read your blog post, I checked my Comcast bandwidth use for Apr – today. It seems that our use in April was 45GB and has creeped up slowly ever since. In April, we used 57GB, June 61GB, and halfway through July already and we’re at 28GB. We certainly aren’t heavy users like you were, but this just goes to show that Comcast’s calculations are way off base, and so is their bandwidth cap!

    • Monkinto Master

      4-6 Gigabytes???????? OMFG downloading Starcraft 2 for install is upwards of 12 Gigs how the heck is an average consumer 4-6 Gigs month?

    • Monkinto Master

      4-6 Gigabytes???????? OMFG downloading Starcraft 2 for install is upwards of 12 Gigs how the heck is an average consumer 4-6 Gigs month?

  • Jim

    You were warned
    You didnt change anything
    You got cut off.

    Should have listened.

    Everyone whines about caps, or that the interwebs is as vital as electricity or water (get real), How about some good old fashioned responsibility, and man up and say “ya, i did it. They warned me and i still did it, i suck” instead of this crying like a kid bull?

    • Kerplunkid

      that’s nice and all but if you read the other article he did make some changes, the problem came from uploading since he started backing stuff up with cloud services like carbonite. he did make an assumption, and you know what they say about that word, i’ll say that much. still, i think the best argument here is still the “comcast is a monopoly” road.

  • A User

    I tell you the problem with broadband in the usa
    lack of competition

    Most area’s in the uk have cable from virgin
    then every isp has access to adsl2+ unbundled at the exchange level

    Fibre to cabinet/home is being rolled out now
    and atm things are being hammered out to enable isp’s direct access cheaply
    with the telco ofc wanting more than the isp’s are willing to pay
    with a few threatning to club together and run theyr own lines

    Things arnt perfect here but far better than in the us

  • Candy

    An earlier post mentioned that Comcast receives government subsidies for implimenting their services. I did not know that…but I do know that their lines are laid in the public access ways alongside our public roads just like the other public utilities. And it is my understanding that public utilities are allowed to lay their lines and have access to the public right of ways…for free…precisely because of their importance to the “public trust”.

    I am happy with my Comcast internet service and will be until I have watched a few too many Netflix movies. But I am not so happy with their misuse of HD television vs standard television signals. I have an HDTV and if I want the basic 4,5,7,11 etc television service I have to pay them for a basic service plan. About $20 a month. OK. But…this means that they downgrade their HD signal to be recieved by a standard signal cable box which then downgrades the original HD signal to standard TV to be sent to my expensive HD TV so that it can display a crappy standard tv picture. So to get the basic tv channels via cable I pay them to downgrade my television programming signal. If I want to see 4,5,7,11 etc in HD…I am told I have to pay to upgrade to the HD tier with hundreds of channels I don’t care to watch and an HD box. Of course, like many people to be able to afford broadband and cable HDTV I have had to abandon my landline phone and go for the triple play pakage pricing. I call them often to renegotiate the price of my cable bill. It is cursed with creep…even after all the deals have fallen by the wayside…when my bill gets up over a hundred I begin to ruminate…when it gets up to $113 I call to cancel. They renege and we start the dance all over again.

    I agree we need to treat Comcast as a public utility and regulate it as such and/ or we need greatly increased competition in the market. Keep up the good fight.

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  • Jason

    I don’t understand why you didn’t use their bandwidth tracker to monitor you usage after they warned you the first time. Didn’t you even ask how you could see how much bandwidth your using so you wouldn’t have a problem again?

  • MumbleFysh

    This will not go unseen. We are here to help.

    - The Dynasty

    • http://ozymandias.com Ozymandias

      Oh dear — this sounds a bit like Anonymous, and all of the tomfoolery that occurred with Sony.

      To be clear — just in case people are getting ideas — please don’t attack Comcast no matter how aggravating they are. The goal is to highlight the inconsistencies and problems with their policies (and US Internet/Broadband policy while I’m at it), and drive for real, permanent change. Attacks won’t help.

      • MumbleFysh

        We are not Anon. We have policies and rules; we do not go beyond what is needed, and we will follow what you say. An attack is not in the best interests of either of us.

        -The Dynasty

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  • Stu

    When Comcast kept screwing my newly-constructed neighborhood over in favor of repairing existing areas (3 months of a blinking light and “the part will be in on Monday”), I dug around their corporate site, compared what I knew of their e-mail assignment policy to what I could find in searches, and sent a highly detailed e-mail to every named executive that I could find.  When I checked my e-mail the next morning, the regional manager had responded with a simple, “Your problem will be fixed by tomorrow.”  (Okay, that’s an approximation — this was about 10 years ago now…)  Well, I won’t complain much ’cause it WAS fixed in one business day, but the takeaway point here is that the managers and other higher-ups don’t like to be reminded that they have customers in the first place, much less dissatisfied ones.

    FWIW, the next time I had a problem with Comcast (and there were several), I couldn’t find that corporate page anywhere…

  • Ross Anderson

    My big issues is that I’m in a neighborhood that is being built and NO ONE WANTS to give me service. I’m in one of the few areas that doesn’t dole out specific franchise areas and because of that just outside the entrance to my neighborhood is a Charter node. In a slightly different direction (and maybe 20ft further away) is a Comcast node. I moved beginning of June and I’ve spent probably 50 hours going back and forth between the two (ATT just today said they could get me 6Mb dsl, but no uverse). The biggest reason you would think they couldnt is that I’m in a rural area. WRONG in the middle of the suburbs, surrounded by other neighborhoods with access. Second possible reason, cost of laying line, ITS ALREADY THERE! Of course, when we discovered this we also discovered that now no one knows who it belongs to or who installed it, so back to waiting. Yay for ISPs not wanting more customers….